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Title: Forge FMIC !!!!!!!!!! and which turbo!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: dazzleandshine on 13:37, Thu 10 July 2008
I currently have a pace double capacity intercooler and iam thinking of getting a forge FMIC will this make much difference to the car ?????

Also thinking of getting a bigger turbo can anyone recommend which ones are good??? i only use the car on weekends and not as a daily driver

if i do these 2 things to my car is it going to make a big difference to the car
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Post by: 5teve L on 14:10, Thu 10 July 2008
Thing is with the forge FMIC is it needs some chopping about to make fit IIRC, what sort of power you after & do you want it to still punch from low down?

You also need to have the carb re-jetted, or do you have one of those 'orrible Grp A jobbies?
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Post by: dazzleandshine on 14:46, Thu 10 July 2008
i dont have a group a carb mine has just been rejeted as i heard group a carbs are more hassle than there worth and people go back to standard and rejet, would the forge intercooler make much difference ? i like my power low down and i have the 270 cam which kicks in nicely, so far my spec is...

 engine consists of-brand new standard pistons and liners,lightened and balanced crank and flywheel,crank has been machined to 0.25mm,big end and little end,brand new oil pump,BB Tuning gaskets kit,uprated head gasket and bolts,stage 3 ported and gas flowed head,270 degree cam from BB Tuning,plus uprated valve springs and seals,250 bhp BB clutch,all new bearings and shells,brand new water pump,turbo technics stage 1 turbo,pace double capacity intercooler,currently running 14 psi, full stainless steel exhaust,scorpian 4 inch back box and the rest magnex,full samco hoses,bailey dump valve,carb rejetted.

i think its about 165bhp at the minute so i was told but what do you think ?? it would be nice to be around the 185 to 200 bhp so i had a bit more power but iam not complaining at the minute as it doesent hang about
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Post by: 5teve L on 18:09, Thu 10 July 2008
Bigger intercooler would be good but as i say, it may require some modding/chopping of bodywork/chassis to fit.
Also i can reccomend a T25 with .47 rear end, nice power delivery & will take 18-20 psi boost.
The carb will need re-jetting though prob.
Turbo(new) will be 410 delivered, ready to bolt on.
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Post by: dazzleandshine on 18:12, Thu 10 July 2008
not really in to chopping things up so mightjust go for a bigger turbo then, where is the best place to buy a turbo from ?
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Post by: 5teve L on 18:17, Thu 10 July 2008
Quote from: "dazzleandshine"
not really in to chopping things up so mightjust go for a bigger turbo then, where is the best place to buy a turbo from ?


I can supply turbo's mate ;)
I would need to make a call to make sure the price is still the same, i supplied one for Graeme on here & he is very pleased with it as far as i know, there is a post somewhere.

T25 with a .47 rear end 410 delivered (well the last one was)

Steve
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Post by: dazzleandshine on 18:24, Thu 10 July 2008
sounds good and it looks like a new turbo will be on the cards for next month then as getting wheels this month and mrs will kill me if i buy a turbo aswell as just chipped my range rover sport
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Post by: dgdogz on 16:28, Fri 11 July 2008
my mate fitted a brand new forge fmic.
he said it was pretty easy...even though u have to cut a few bits and pieces..but there really simple cuts

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Post by: Ash-Lee on 16:58, Fri 11 July 2008
If you go onto the Forge website there is a PDF file you can download which contain the instructions to fit the FMIC.

You don't have to cut the front bumper if you don't want to (but then whats the point of the FMIC, why not have one in the standard position) but you do need to chop some of the metalwork behind it.
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Post by: dazzleandshine on 17:32, Fri 11 July 2008
ive just been on forge website and had a look and it doesent seem that bad to fit maybe a days work, just got to decide on which turbo to go for now
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Post by: 5teve L on 17:50, Fri 11 July 2008
Quote from: "dazzleandshine"
ive just been on forge website and had a look and it doesent seem that bad to fit maybe a days work, just got to decide on which turbo to go for now


I have put a list up in the for sale section.
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Post by: dazzleandshine on 17:55, Fri 11 July 2008
yep ive noticed that just deciding if to go for one of the big turbos so i can really turn the boost up
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Post by: 5teve L on 18:15, Fri 11 July 2008
Quote from: "dazzleandshine"
yep ive noticed that just deciding if to go for one of the big turbos so i can really turn the boost up


As long as the engine is healthy then it won't be a problem, take into consideration where you drive the car most or what you want to do with it, mine was always going to be a 200bhp+ drag car so i can live with not being on full boost till just over 4krpms & i rev it to 7k, if you want a good fast road car, but like the early punch of the T2 sized turbo's then go for the cheaper one, if you don't mind revving the car over 6k & waiting a bit longer for the kick get a larger unit then go larger, the T28 rollerbearing will spool a little faster than the T25 with .49 but will boost harder & you'll run out of revs fast if you are running alot of boost ;) .
Also smaller turbo for 1bar, if you run 20psi or more a larger one won't feel as dead.

If i remember right you have a decent spec so you won't have a problem running any of the turbo's, i thought i'd warn you of the 'lag' issue as it's a totally different power delivery.
Also the carb will need sorting with wideband or on the rollers to be safe & the larger cooler will be good if you plan to run big boost.
HTH
Steve
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Post by: PHASEONE on 18:17, Fri 11 July 2008
How much are the fmic's from forge?
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Post by: dazzleandshine on 18:27, Fri 11 July 2008
Quote from: "GTTBoy"
Quote from: "dazzleandshine"
yep ive noticed that just deciding if to go for one of the big turbos so i can really turn the boost up

As long as the engine is healthy then it won't be a problem, take into consideration where you drive the car most or what you want to do with it, mine was always going to be a 200bhp+ drag car so i can live with not being on full boost till just over 4krpms & i rev it to 7k, if you want a good fast road car, but like the early punch of the T2 sized turbo's then go for the cheaper one, if you don't mind revving the car over 6k & waiting a bit longer for the kick get a larger unit then go larger, the T28 rollerbearing will spool a little faster than the T25 with .49 but will boost harder & you'll run out of revs fast if you are running alot of boost ;) .
Also smaller turbo for 1bar, if you run 20psi or more a larger one won't feel as dead.

If i remember right you have a decent spec so you won't have a problem running any of the turbo's, i thought i'd warn you of the 'lag' issue as it's a totally different power delivery.
Also the carb will need sorting with wideband or on the rollers to be safe & the larger cooler will be good if you plan to run big boost.
HTH
Steve


as you no i only use the car on the odd sunday and its not my daily driver and i plan on doing a few track days with it and a few trips to pod, iam just one of those people who like to push things to the limit so getting 200+ bhp out of a little 1.4 would be really good and make the car a very fast little 5 on the road
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Post by: 5teve L on 18:31, Fri 11 July 2008
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How much are the fmic's from forge?


http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/conten ... t=FMINTR5T (http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=160101&product=FMINTR5T)
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Post by: dazzleandshine on 18:45, Fri 11 July 2008
right after a bit of debate iam going to go for a T28 and a Forge FMIC and go for 200bhp as iam sure with myengine spec 200bhp can be gained
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Post by: PHASEONE on 18:55, Fri 11 July 2008
430! ouch! is there any cheaper alternative's? for example the vw boys often use a mercedes sprinter fmic . just a thought
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Post by: dazzleandshine on 19:05, Fri 11 July 2008
there is plenty of universal ones on ebay which iam sure you could fit somehow and it would just be a case of making somepipe work up
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Post by: NaylsGTT on 19:26, Fri 11 July 2008
This setup cost me less than 180,that includes a custom made alloy carb top.

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x257/Naylsgt/DSC00412.jpg)
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Post by: dazzleandshine on 19:30, Fri 11 July 2008
Quote from: "NaylsGTT"
This setup cost me less than 180,that includes a custom made alloy carb top.

(http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x257/Naylsgt/DSC00412.jpg)


interesting, got me thinking now
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Post by: dazzleandshine on 08:23, Sun 13 July 2008
think iam going to go for the grille mounted option now for a intercooler as dont want to chop standard bumper up really and i think it will get more air behind grille and keep it looking like this
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll302/dazzleandshine/niceandclean003.jpg)
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Post by: NaylsGTT on 10:35, Sun 13 July 2008
Quote from: "dazzleandshine"
think iam going to go for the grille mounted option now for a intercooler as dont want to chop standard bumper up really and i think it will get more air behind grille and keep it looking like this
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll302/dazzleandshine/niceandclean003.jpg)


Yeah definitelty mate, slightly shorter boost run too :)

i have an aj tuning bumper so my cooler would get more air flow from being in the bumper really,but i prefer the grille option.

if im going out to race i'l just pop the grille off
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Post by: dazzleandshine on 11:14, Sun 13 July 2008
yep i think its the way forward now so looking on ebay now to try and find a intercooler which will fit behind grille and in front of radiator with out being to tight
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Post by: Arturas-zender on 15:41, Sun 13 July 2008
Hey Steve , what turbo would you suggest me ? Now I have T3 and it is very laggy.. It comes on full boost at 4.5-5k rpm...Ofcourse ,it kicks very well , but my car is for road use (not planning to have more than 200bhp) , so I would like to have very quick spool , at low rpm's , but to try not to lose torque at highs. I am thinking about something like KTR 250 ROLLERBEARING POWER SYSTEM HYBRID TURBO , but the price is a bit high  :)  what do you think about it?  :wink:

Thanks for any suggestions.

Sorry for my english...  :oops:
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Post by: 5teve L on 16:09, Sun 13 July 2008
I can get a roller bearing T28 for 910+ postage, or something like the T25 with .49 rear will do, like i have now ;), this is 520 new or i'm thinking of selling mine soon to upgrade to a T28 as i use mine for drag racing, keep an eye on the for sale section.

Here is a price list, you would have to add postage to any of these prices.

T25 with .47 rear, good for 180bhp, maybe more depending on engine spec 450 (this turbo is closer to the KTR 230 than the 180 as the 180 runs a bored out .35 T2 rear housing ) 55 trim comp wheel
T25 with .49 rear 225 bhp 520 60 trim comp wheel
T28 with .49 rear 260bhp 620 50 or 60 trim comp wheel
T28 rollerbearing 280bhp 910
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Post by: NaylsGTT on 17:49, Sun 13 July 2008
Quote from: "dazzleandshine"
yep i think its the way forward now so looking on ebay now to try and find a intercooler which will fit behind grille and in front of radiator with out being to tight


you'l have to push the rad towards the engine like i have unless you find a slim intercooler,
also when you measure up,dont forget about the silicone bend's you'l be adding that will make it wider still.

if you can find one,i'd get a cooler with the inlet facing towards the turbo,you'l have little bit more room then :)
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Post by: dazzleandshine on 21:58, Sun 13 July 2008
Quote from: "NaylsGTT"
Quote from: "dazzleandshine"
yep i think its the way forward now so looking on ebay now to try and find a intercooler which will fit behind grille and in front of radiator with out being to tight

you'l have to push the rad towards the engine like i have unless you find a slim intercooler,
also when you measure up,dont forget about the silicone bend's you'l be adding that will make it wider still.

if you can find one,i'd get a cooler with the inlet facing towards the turbo,you'l have little bit more room then :)


cheers for info iam going to get tape measure out tom and take grille of and have a nosy and see what i can come up with